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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides

If you are picturing the underwater scenes from "Hunt For Red October" there was a lot of literary license taken. Especially the parts where a 26,000 ton Typhoon slips and yaws through the water at 28 knots - it just doesn't happen like that.

Now when a Los Angeles class accelerates from Ahead 1/3 to Ahead Flank the boat rolls about 10 degrees when the shaft torque is picked up by the thrust bearing and transferred to the hull as the boat accelerates.

That is cool.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 3, 2008 9:48am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides

And that is without a doubt the coolest post of the day.

Wonderful.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 3, 2008 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides

Yeah - that Kicks Ass

Love learning interesting stuff about the folks hereabouts.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Almost Being Serious Here.....

That's why I like lurking on the board and occasionally tossing stuff out there.

Submarine operations was a day to day way of life for me. I have found over the years that what I took for granted was pretty interesting for other people. When we would give tours, people always remarked on the size of the galley (kitchen for the landlubbers), and were amazed by the size of our freezer (about the size of a handball court - and it doubled as a morgue). They were less impressed by the 78" x 30" x 24" bunk we all called home - perhaps sympathetic.

Being a student and instrtuctor of Bruce Lee's art of Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do, I try to embrace Sifu Lee's quote:

"Everyone knows something you do not. Learn from them."

Thanks for the opportunity to share.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 3, 2008 10:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

I spent 6 years on top of the waves working in the commercial fishing industry - people are still amazed when I tell them one of the first boats I worked on was a 43 foot fiberglass vessel that the Capt and 3 crew would live on and work on for 6 to 9 day trips about 125 miles offshore - no fridge no heat no running water.

Perishables were kept in the fishhold ice (a deck box was our main hold as 43 boats don't have much 'hold' capacity.

We carried all fresh water in carry aboard jugs and most of our fuel was on deck in 44 gallon plastic barrels.

Yes it was wet and yes we got our asses kicked in storms .

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 10:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

That is real sailoring.

My worst weather event was a Force 9 gale north of Norway in late '91. We were taking 10 degree rolls at a keel depth of 245 feet. The Skipper estimated 65-80 foot seas. We were on our way up to periscope depth to get some message traffic via antenna and the boat got sucked up from 95 feet to broached in about two seconds.

40 degree rolls on the surface, in a storm, in a boat that has a round keel is not in any way, shape or form, Cool. It just plain sucks.

It was one of the few times in my career that I was afraid for my life.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Actually, a very close friend served for years, 70s thru 80s, and always spoke of "flying" them as my understanding is that is what a sub "does" in water, and that the physics of it is akin to a plane in air, etc., etc.

Cool stuff indeed.

Thanks.

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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

I've always know it to be "driver". One of my father's best friends while we were growing up in the northeast was a retired sub driver down in Groton, CT. Not sure which boat was his, but I do remember many cool stories about his service in the late 50's up through the late 60's. I'm guessing that the coolest stories were the ones he couldn't tell.

Some quice digging shows him to have first served on the Wahoo, the Hadner and then XO of the Gudgeon and the Horne

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too...

Oh, I have no doubt about you two having it right as he never said "I fly a sub" or some such...he was just always going on about the mechanics of it (we were in physics together as partners way back when) and I thought maybe it carried over to the lingo...

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:47am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too...

Oooohhhh SDH, please tell me this isn't just another shipboard romance...

(From the Tales of Human Pathos, on the High Seas, Below Deck. Credit R. Crumb)


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Poster: SomeDarkHollow Date: Dec 3, 2008 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....I am too...

Billy Budd is awaiting you below deck. Careful he doesn't lash your mast.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Bingo

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Yeah that does not sound fun, sounds pretty damn hairy in fact - the one time I actually thought "Wow we could go down" was a trip we were fishing off of Cape Hatteras in winter time - we awoke to 40-50 knot winds and 15-20 foot seas (nothing we hadn't seen before), we had 10 or 15 miles of gear in the water (longlining) so had to 'go to work'. Well we started hauling back and the weather just kept building to where it was probably 50-60 and 20-25 foot seas and out of nowhere we got broadsided by two pretty good waves in a row and I looked up and there was the third wave looming like the proverbial mountain - I yelled out "Hang On" as load as I could and grabbed hold of the Bait table in a big bear hug - and this wall of water came down on and laid our 63 foot steel boat on her side (Cliff , this was the Snoopy II). After the wave passed I was on the high side with Water above my knees, the Cap'n was laying flat on his back on the side of the Cabin, the butcher was washing around the middle of the deck in about 3-4 feet of water and our port outrigger was buried and the starboard rigger was pointed straight up at the sky. It seemed like it took forever for the boat to come back to an even keel with the massive amounts of water pouring out of the scuppers. I remember thinking to myself "If there was just one more big wave in that train we probably would have been capsized". Anyway - there was no other wave and I'm here to tell the story. The Cap'n decided to cut the rest of the gear loose and declare it a loss - it think it was 2 or 3 miles of gear at $1,000 dollars a mile. By cutting the gear loose we could actually drive to a proper course to suit the conditions as when hauling back you have to run parallel to the gear so you don't have many options, and unfortunately for us the gear happened to be fairly parallel to the waves that day (perpendicular to the wind). It was the only time I ever felt vulnerable on that boat.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 12:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

I've only seen the Three Sisters wave phenomenon twice in almost 13 years of sea tours. Once in the Gulf Stream North Wall on the edge of a cold core eddy just east of Hatteras and once at an undisclosed location doing, umm, never mind.

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 3, 2008 1:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

My encounter would have been 90 or 91, you motivated me to look up and scan some pics - I'm the guy holding the small Mako and a Budwiser.

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Dec 3, 2008 1:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Wow

Impressive.

Looks like you were just outrunning the set in the last pic - were those following seas or were you just stuck sliding sideways down the trough.

I'll look around for some more boat pics and get them hung up here.

First one is us on the surface at about 15 knots.
Second one is CITY of CORPUS CHRISTI running about due east - very cool shot with the backlighting.



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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 3, 2008 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow

We were steaming home from Hatteras to LI and had following seas off port quarter for many hours - the photos don't do it justice - it was actually a pretty nice ride as they were long rollers with one occasionally cresting. For someone prone to seasickness it would have been very uncomfortable however. Most of the water on deck was basically side wash from slewing - the boat was a low boat and the rail was only up to my knee - in other words a 'wet boat'.

Those are really cool pics, I've always been pretty amazed about subs - never been on one but I can imagine it must have been pretty damn neat.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 3, 2008 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow

Fuckin A! You really are serious...those are some disturbing, yet beautiful, pics...

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Dec 3, 2008 3:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow

I was an anchor-out on Richardson's Bay, on Waldo Point in Sausalito in the '70s.
Here's the whole sordid story -
http://crow-fjord.livejournal.com/1454.html

but worse than that were the not quite nauticals squatting at Gate 5 who (true story) built their own sailboat on the dry dock from some bozo's blueprints, stocked the sloop up with a big bags of pecans and oranges (and nothing else besides water)...
they sailed west for Tahiti from this side of Alcatraz in search of paradise, and never got there...

the hull wasn't made with wood my friends...
they built the the boat bottom with cement, no shit.

And sank like a stone a few miles out.
Those poor PCs who wouldn't touch meat or share their pecans with less enlightened hippies never came back.

Ghouls among you might care to read the whole story and more about the ex-Haight St. water squatters of Sausalito somewhere at this troll-infested bilge:

http://www.waldopoint.net/rip/rip.html

My dad was in the Sea Scouts and did time in a submarine during the Korean conflict, so he knew which way was aft...
he died aboard his cabin cruiser berthed at Gate III.

Sail on, brother... sail away papathon...

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 4, 2008 5:02am
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That is a sordid story - thanks for the link. Love the shots of the menu - NY Steak $10.50, tap beer $0.75. Nice slice of history.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Dec 7, 2008 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow

Glad you got a chance to skim the good ol' Trident menu, presumably with drool cup fastened securely...

those 10 buck steaks were juicy red tender mignon and thick as a brick!

And in keeping with the reasonably priced fare, Sausalito scuttlebutts weren't above leaving, on one occasion for what reason I can't imagine, a big fat five cent tip!

No kidding, a plug nickel. I presume that particular patron swiped a few dozen extra plys of t.p. on the way out.
Waste not, want not!

It was hard work and we deserved at least a quarter for washing their ashtrays... yes, back in the day when there were smoking & non-smoking sections.

One dishwasher was so exhasted he had a novel solution for soaking the incoming tubs of dirty dinnerware...
he chucked a boatload or two into the the bay before low tide turned against his burial at sea policy.

I revisited the restaraunt a few months after my own employment there ran aground; with two lovely gals on my arms we walked in spannered from rum zombies....

we were politely ushered through the interior mid-sections directly to the outdoor deck, and rather than be seated the hostess opened the gate, gestured for us to walk on, delicately closing it behind us...
we had been gently but firmly launched from the premises.

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Poster: Sausalito Date: Mar 10, 2009 10:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow

What happened to Waldopoint.net? Now I see something called laughdragon.net, with no links to other pages. Just go to waldopoint.net and see.

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Dec 3, 2008 3:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Jim, that sounds pretty scary,,,because on the Snoopy II, you were risking your life with the boat still tied to the dock!

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Dec 4, 2008 5:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Aw she wasn't a bad boat while I worked on her. I recently saw Provider II heading out - now that glass boat was 15 or 16 when I worked on her in 1986!! I could not believe she was still fishing - sure hope they weren't going offshore!!

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Poster: William Tell Date: Dec 3, 2008 12:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Almost Being Serious Here.....

Speaking of physics, there's a lot of it in that little scary post of yours...

Never have been a fan of the big waters, just speaking personally...

Much prefer my own two feet firmly planted, but I am a wimp.

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Poster: snori Date: Dec 3, 2008 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides

Hi Rob,

Since you're in the vicinity again, did you catch Desert Island Discs ? (I can't really believe that you didn't)

Michael Eavis was the castaway, and he confessed to being a 'Deadhead'and seeing the boys in London. I'm guessing 1972 Lyceum. He chose UJB as one of his eight. Shame he couldn't get them over for one of the festivals, but it might explain how that Dark Star made it onto the triple album. Repeated Friday a.m.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Dec 3, 2008 12:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Wow! Remind not to get on your collective bad sides

Hi snori - as it happens I didn't catch DI Discs on Sunday. The girls usually go off to do yoga on Sunday morning and I generally take the chance to relax with the Sunday papers and the Grateful Dead rather than listen to the radio. I'm very glad to have the head's up on Michael Eavis and I'll be sure to listen in to the Friday repeat. Thank you.